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We should be enforcing a full-blown energy embargo on Russia, but I highly doubt that Biden has the balls for it. We could easily help Europe wean off of Russian gas and oil by waiving or revising the Jones Act.

(Feb 28, 2022 12:55 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb 28, 2022 12:36 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:He was being sarcastic, MR, duh!

No he wasn't. He's enamored by Putin. We all saw this when he visited him. Dictators admire and enable other dictators.

I listened to the entire podcast and even the original text included "sarcastic" in parentheses. He was the only President that called out Germany on the Russian pipeline. That doesn't sound like enabling to me.

"Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. (sarcastic)"

Maybe so. But Trump is so stupid I'm not sure even he knows when he's being sarcastic.

(Feb 28, 2022 01:17 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe so. But Trump is so stupid I'm not sure even he knows when he's being sarcastic.

Any intellectually dishonest excuse to desperately maintain your delusions. Maybe knock off the meds for a bit and let the voices console you.

(Feb 28, 2022 01:17 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe so. But Trump is so stupid I'm not sure even he knows when he's being sarcastic.

Nah, he just needed someone (preferably a woman) to advise him on what not to say and how to say what needed to be said, that's all.

Here's a good example. 

(Feb 28, 2022 01:28 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Any intellectually dishonest excuse to desperately maintain your delusions. Maybe knock off the meds for a bit and let the voices console you.

No need to go that low. It just makes you look stupid, really stupid, and untrustworthy.

(Feb 28, 2022 01:30 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb 28, 2022 01:28 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Any intellectually dishonest excuse to desperately maintain your delusions. Maybe knock off the meds for a bit and let the voices console you.

No need to go that low. It just makes you look stupid, really stupid.

So you believe Trump doesn't know when he's being sarcastic either?

Or maybe you missed where MR literally told us about the voices in his head, held at bay by his meds.
Or maybe you just think it's insensitive, which has nothing to do with stupidity at all.

Do tell.

(Feb 28, 2022 01:36 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe you just think it's insensitive, which has nothing to do with stupidity at all.

Do tell.

Bingo! When you are unable to counter MR's remarks with your wits, your attack on his character makes you look immature and dumb as a box of rocks.

(Feb 27, 2022 11:39 PM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I think the best way forward is for Putin to be dealt with by the Russians themselves. I don't think he'll be able to hide the fact that he's started a war for long. If the war escalates then Putin will go from being the idiot that started the war to being (potentially) the hero that can win it. 

I agree with that assessment. The santions in some respects are paving the way for ousting Putin. It's pressurising the Russian people to think very long and hard about who their leadership is and take the appropiate actions to remove them from command. That being said the Russian people themselves are from a number of enthicity backgrounds and have throughout their history been oppressed by one leader or other. It's very difficult for them to change their personal position, especially since in the past any one that disgreed with the leadership and the extremist zealots that keep them there were silenced.

(Feb 28, 2022 01:44 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb 28, 2022 01:36 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe you just think it's insensitive, which has nothing to do with stupidity at all.

Do tell.

Bingo! When you are unable to counter MR's remarks with your wits, your attack on his character makes you look immature and dumb as a box of rocks.

That would be meaningful if I were intending to counter his remarks. But seeing as they are literal delusions, there is no counter that would have any impact on him. Hence why it would be pointless to try. Unlike you, I refuse to play nice and thereby enable his delusions. And also seemingly unlike you, I don't care what people like you think of my posts. I know you are predisposed to see me a certain way regardless. That's a you problem.

Just you looking for an excuse to attack me, unprovoked by anything I've said to you.

(Feb 28, 2022 01:47 AM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb 27, 2022 11:39 PM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I think the best way forward is for Putin to be dealt with by the Russians themselves. I don't think he'll be able to hide the fact that he's started a war for long. If the war escalates then Putin will go from being the idiot that started the war to being (potentially) the hero that can win it. 

I agree with that assessment.  The santions in some respects are paving the way for ousting Putin.  It's pressurising the Russian people to think very long and hard about who their leadership is and take the appropiate actions to remove them from command.  That being said the Russian people themselves are from a number of enthicity backgrounds and have throughout their history been oppressed by one leader or other.  It's very difficult for them to change their personal position, especially since in the past any one that disgreed with the leadership and the extremist zealots that keep them there were silenced.

I suspect his Russian friends with private jets, super yachts and houses in London are the ones most likely to stab him in the back.
Edit
If Putin could have chosen between invading Ukraine or spending a day playing golf with the (2nd) most powerful man in the world* he'd probably have chosen the latter.
*President Trump, if case that isn't obvious. Biden - who?

(Feb 28, 2022 01:58 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Just you looking for an excuse to attack me, unprovoked by anything I've said to you.

Not true. I just want you to be better than that.

I was in an airport years ago and there was this Russian cellist. OMG! He was so good. Me…I’m always so curious. I asked him a lot about Russia. He said something that stuck with me. He said it’s extremely corrupt, but it’s in your face corrupt, not like here in the US, where it’s behind closed doors.

There’s always two sides to every story and Ukraine is no angel. There’s lots of corruption and they've previously admitted to stealing gas from Russia.

Russia–Ukraine gas disputes

Just sayin.