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(Jun 12, 2017 02:27 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Since single-parent families are the biggest predictor of crime, drug use, etc. how does "white privilege" cause that?

Who said white privilege causes single families?
You claimed crime statistics are skewed, but since single-parent families correspond to more criminality, the statistics actually under represent such demographics. So why do single-parent families predict criminality so well across all demographics, but you seem to be making a special pleading for one race somehow not following that correlation?
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Quote:Why is there no such thing as Asian privilege?

There probably is....in Asia.
Do you really not know that Asians, in the US, do better scholastically, economically, etc. than whites?
If the disparity between whites and blacks is privilege, then again you're making a special pleading for Asians not following the same pattern.
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Quote:How are you going to dismiss these black people? O_o

Wow..so because people are black, that makes them infallible? Isn't that racist?
Who said they were infallible? O_o

If you dismiss them, you need to give ample reason...to avoid the appearance of racism by simply dismissing them for not hold a monolithic black opinion. Rolleyes
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#52
Magical Realist Online
Quote:You claimed crime statistics are skewed, but since single-parent families correspond to more criminality, the statistics actually under represent such demographics. So why do single-parent families predict criminality so well across all demographics, but you seem to be making a special pleading for one race somehow not following that correlation?

Where did I say one race doesn't follow that correlation? There are many factors influencing crime rates. Single parenting correlation is only one of several of these correlated factors. Refer to previous post where I listed them.

Quote:Do you really not know that Asians, in the US

Why would there be Asian privelege in the US where Asians are a minority and whites are still the majority. Go to Asia to see the effects of being a majority race on societal privelege.

Quote:Who said they were infallible?

You're the one cherry picking Youtube videos of black people not believing in white privelege like this somehow means its true. Why would it? Does being black come with some racist privilege towards being right? Does being white mean you are somehow incapable of knowing about racism in our society? That's pretty racist. Talk about a monolithic dismissal.
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#54
Syne Offline
(Jun 14, 2017 12:50 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:You claimed crime statistics are skewed, but since single-parent families correspond to more criminality, the statistics actually under represent such demographics. So why do single-parent families predict criminality so well across all demographics, but you seem to be making a special pleading for one race somehow not following that correlation?

Where did I say one race doesn't follow that correlation? There are many factors influencing crime rates. Single parenting correlation is only one of several of these correlated factors. Refer to previous post where I listed them.
When you said "profiling and convictions based on the color of one's skin". If you assert that racism is a cause for their crime statistics, you are also saying that correlations like single-parents contribute less to those statistics for that race....hence special pleading.
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Quote:Do you really not know that Asians, in the US

Why would there be Asian privelege in the US where Asians are a minority and whites are still the majority. Go to Asia to see the effects of being a majority race on societal privelege.
Hey, you're the one attributing better socioeconomic outcomes to privilege, not me. Still can't see the flaws in your argument? Rolleyes
Not all countries show higher criminality or less socioeconomic success for minorities.

Associated factors include race and crime and status as an immigrant. In some countries, ethnically/racially diverse geographical areas have higher crime rates compared to homogeneous areas, and in other countries, it is the other way around. Some studies on immigrants found higher rates of crime among these populations; these rates vary according to the country of origin (immigrants from some regions having lower crime rates than the indigenous population). Notions about the propensity for immigrants to commit crime vary among geographical regions. Likewise, the propensity for immigrants to commit more or less crime than the indigenous population also varies geographically. For instance within the United States, census data shows that immigrants are less likely to commit crime than residents who were born within in the United States.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistica...mmigration

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Quote:Who said they were infallible?

You're the one cherry picking Youtube videos of black people not believing in white privelege like this somehow means its true. Why would it? Does being black come with some racist privilege towards being right? Does being white mean you are somehow incapable of knowing about racism in our society? That's pretty racist. Talk about a monolithic dismissal.
If you want to call pointing out that blacks can have a variety of opinions cherry-picking....that still doesn't imply they're infallible.

According to most leftists, being a member of a minority group does grant special virtue to your opinion. It's called intersectionality. And as blacks who don't believe in typical black tropes, these examples would be in a smaller minority.

Again, who said they must be right? And who said whites are unaware of racism? O_o
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#55
Magical Realist Online
Quote:When you said "profiling and convictions based on the color of one's skin". If you assert that racism is a cause for their crime statistics, you are also saying that correlations like single-parents contribute less to those statistics for that race....hence special pleading.

Where did I say single-parenting contributes less to crime statistics than racism? Quote it please or admit you're manufacturing strawmen.

Quote:Hey, you're the one attributing better socioeconomic outcomes to privilege, not me. Still can't see the flaws in your argument?

And privelege based on one's majority race. Getting the picture now?

Quote:If you want to call pointing out that blacks can have a variety of opinions cherry-picking....that still doesn't imply they're infallible.

You're not pointing out that blacks can have a variety of opinions. You're cherry picking youtube videos for blacks that have only one opinion--that there's no such thing as white privelege. What does that prove? I can cherrypick videos of black people supporting Trump, christianity, or islamic jihad. It doesn't mean they're right just because they're black. You need to remember that facts don't depend on the number or the race of the people who do or don't believe them.
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#56
Syne Offline
(Jun 16, 2017 10:55 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:When you said "profiling and convictions based on the color of one's skin". If you assert that racism is a cause for their crime statistics, you are also saying that correlations like single-parents contribute less to those statistics for that race....hence special pleading.

Where did I say single-parenting contributes less to crime statistics than racism? Quote it please or admit you're manufacturing strawmen.
Where did I claim you said anything of the sort? O_o
Just because you've added racism to the contributing factors for blacks (special pleading) doesn't mean it somehow contributes more than single-parents, but all factors can only contribute up to 100% likelihood (you know, when it actually becomes a crime statistic). Does racism also explain the higher rate of recidivism among blacks? Rolleyes
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Quote:Hey, you're the one attributing better socioeconomic outcomes to privilege, not me. Still can't see the flaws in your argument?

And privelege based on one's majority race. Getting the picture now?
You've yet to demonstrate such in the US, aside from bare assertion and in-group bias equally prevalent in any demographic.
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Quote:If you want to call pointing out that blacks can have a variety of opinions cherry-picking....that still doesn't imply they're infallible.

You're not pointing out that blacks can have a variety of opinions. You're cherry picking youtube videos for blacks that have only one opinion--that there's no such thing as white privelege. What does that prove? I can cherrypick videos of black people supporting Trump, christianity, or islamic jihad. It doesn't mean they're right just because they're black.

So you can read minds now? Dodgy Nope, apparently not.
Who said they where right...much less because they are black? O_o

Just trying to shake you from your racist stereotypes.
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#57
Magical Realist Online
Quote:Where did I claim you said anything of the sort? O_o



Right here: "If you assert that racism is a cause for their crime statistics, you are also saying that correlations like single-parents contribute less to those statistics for that race.."

I never asserted such a thing. I don't even know if comparative strengths of disabling factors is even measurable. Hence the big fat strawman.

Quote:Just because you've added racism to the contributing factors for blacks (special pleading) doesn't mean it somehow contributes more than single-parents, but all factors can only contribute up to 100% likelihood (you know, when it actually becomes a crime statistic). Does racism also explain the higher rate of recidivism among blacks?

Again, I never asserted racism contributes more than single parents. You're fucking up again.

Quote:You've yet to demonstrate such in the US, aside from bare assertion and in-group bias equally prevalent in any demographic.

I've already posted alot of evidence for white privelege. Here's seven more pieces of evidence. If you can't accept it, that's your problem.

https://mic.com/articles/89653/7-actual-....j9O8vrBsw


Quote:So you can read minds now?  Dodgy  Nope, apparently not.
Who said they where right...much less because they are black? O_o

Just trying to shake you from your racist stereotypes.

You're the one cherry picking videos of black people denying white privelege. You tell me why you're doing that.
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#58
Syne Offline
(Jun 17, 2017 12:23 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
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Quote:Where did I say single-parenting contributes less to crime statistics than racism? Quote it please or admit you're manufacturing strawmen.
Where did I claim you said anything of the sort? O_o



Right here: "If you assert that racism is a cause for their crime statistics, you are also saying that correlations like single-parents contribute less to those statistics for that race.."

I never asserted such a thing. I don't even know if comparative strengths of disabling factors is even measurable. Hence the big fat strawman.
Less of a contribution (than in other races) does not equate to less of a contribution than racism.
Your strawman accusation is obviously projection. Rolleyes
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Quote:Just because you've added racism to the contributing factors for blacks (special pleading) doesn't mean it somehow contributes more than single-parents, but all factors can only contribute up to 100% likelihood (you know, when it actually becomes a crime statistic). Does racism also explain the higher rate of recidivism among blacks?

Again, I never asserted racism contributes more than single parents. You're fucking up again.
Again, where did I claim you did?
Maybe you're just confused. I am agreeing that "add[ing] racism to the contributing factors for blacks doesn't mean it somehow contributes more than single-parents". That agreement means that your little strawman accusation is, itself, a strawman.
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Quote:You've yet to demonstrate such in the US, aside from bare assertion and in-group bias equally prevalent in any demographic.

I've already posted alot of evidence for white privelege. Here's seven more pieces of evidence. If you can't accept it, that's your problem.

https://mic.com/articles/89653/7-actual-....j9O8vrBsw
Apparently you take poorly correlated and cherry-picked info as evidence.
1. You are less likely to be arrested.
Taking nonviolent drug offenses out of the larger context is cherry-picking the data. Blacks have more interactions with police, due to higher frequency of other crimes, leading to more nonviolent drug offense arrests.
And where's the evidence that school zero tolerance policies are racially "unfair"? You know, aside from a racial discrepancy in bad behavior? O_o
2. You are more likely to get into college.
Again, is the exact same discrepancy among Asian-Americans due to Asian privilege?

The reason why Asians appear “underrepresented” in elite college admissions is because they are in fact overrepresented. Although they only comprise 4.5 percent of the US population, they comprise nearly 20-30 percent of top colleges’ students. To correct for this over-representation, and maybe their societal advantage in gaining access to higher level secondary education, colleges are now admitting a lower percentage of Asians.
- http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/1...-at-elite/

They also compare disparate data to arrive at their conclusions.

While more than 30 percent of African-Americans and Hispanics with a high school grade point average of 3.5 or higher attended community colleges, only 22 percent of whites with the same GPA attended the same level of schooling. Likewise, the report found that 57 percent of minority students with scores higher than 1200 out of 1600 (the SAT scoring scale changed to a maximum of 2400 points in 2005) on the SAT eventually received some sort of certificate or degree, compared to 77 percent of whites with similar scores.
- https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201...-privilege

So this expects us to believe that a 3.5 GPA in a black underfunded high school has the same preparatory value as a 3.5 GPA from a better-funded school? Rolleyes
Even though the actual outcomes prove otherwise:

New data from the U.S. Department of Education shows a wide racial disparity in the grade point averages of bachelor’s degree recipients. The data shows grades for students who earned their degrees during the 2007-08 academic year.

Some 75 percent of all White bachelor degree recipients had a grade point average of 3.0 or higher. For Blacks, 55.3 percent of all graduates had a grade point average of 3.0 or higher. Whites were more than twice as likely as Blacks to graduate with grade point averages better than 3.5. Two out of every five White graduates but less than one in five Black graduates achieved a GPA greater than 3.5.

Blacks were nearly three times as likely as Whites to graduate with a GPA of less than 2.5. Some 14.5 percent of Black graduates and 5.5 percent of White graduates had a GPA of less than 2.5.
- https://www.jbhe.com/2012/11/new-data-sh...graduates/

3. You are more likely to "fit in" and get called back for a job.
In an environment of increasing victimhood and potential discrimination suits, it's just prudent to limit your exposure as a business. If you want businesses to be colorblind, quit being a liability.
4. You are less likely to be perceived as a "thug."
Violent crime statistics as a percent of black population means they are literally more likely to be actual thugs. Rolleyes
5. You are less likely to be labeled "angry."
The fact is that "angry blacks" seem to have a free pass on racially stereotyping other ethnicities, calling for the genocide of whites and other things that would otherwise be unconscionable for whites to say...much less angrily. "Black power", even chanted angrily, is not only acceptable for blacks, it has zero racist/bigoted stigma, whereas the reverse is far from true.

Seems to be a free speech black privilege there, if anything. It's expected, so its allowable.
6. You are more likely to make headlines when missing.
Sadly, the prevalence of black on black violent crime makes it less newsworthy. The more ubiquitous the less it is news.
7. You are more likely to find adequate housing.
Anecdotal evidence is all that's given for this one.
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Quote:So you can read minds now?  Dodgy  Nope, apparently not.
Who said they where right...much less because they are black? O_o

Just trying to shake you from your racist stereotypes.

You're the one cherry picking videos of black people denying white privelege. You tell me why you're doing that.
Because you seem completely ignorant of the fact that blacks don't all think alike. Dodgy
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#59
Magical Realist Online
Quote:Less of a contribution (than in other races) does not equate to less of a contribution than racism.
Your strawman accusation is obviously projection. Rolleyes

So what is it that single parenting is contributing less than? You're own statement makes it clear:

"If you assert that racism is a cause for their crime statistics, you are also saying that correlations like single-parents contribute less to those statistics for that race.."

I never asserted such a thing. Hence your strawman.

Quote:Again, where did I claim you did?

Right here:

"Just because you've added racism to the contributing factors for blacks (special pleading) doesn't mean it somehow contributes more than single-parents,"

You're saying I am claiming racism contributes more than single-parents. I never said that. Can you understand english?

Quote:Because you seem completely ignorant of the fact that blacks don't all think alike.

I never quoted youtube videos of blacks saying anything. You're the one doing that. I haven't said a word about what blacks think. Why are you cherrypicking videos of black people if not to present an appearance that all blacks think this way? Have you convinced yourself yet?

Quote:1. You are less likely to be arrested.
Taking nonviolent drug offenses out of the larger context is cherry-picking the data. Blacks have more interactions with police, due to higher frequency of other crimes, leading to more nonviolent drug offense arrests.
And where's the evidence that school zero tolerance policies are racially "unfair"? You know, aside from a racial discrepancy in bad behavior? O_o

Do you have a study supporting the claim that blacks have more interactions with police due to higher frequency of other crimes? There's other things that need to be ruled out here, like frequency of patrolling, racial profiling, and density of blacks in smaller neighborhoods.



Quote:2. You are more likely to get into college.
Again, is the exact same discrepancy among Asian-Americans due to Asian privilege?
The reason why Asians appear “underrepresented” in elite college admissions is because they are in fact overrepresented. Although they only comprise 4.5 percent of the US population, they comprise nearly 20-30 percent of top colleges’ students. To correct for this over-representation, and maybe their societal advantage in gaining access to higher level secondary education, colleges are now admitting a lower percentage of Asians.
- http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/1...-at-elite/

Why would there be less representation of Asians of college if there was less racism against Asians? You're the one promoting the racist delusion that blacks are underrepresented because they are less intelligent. What proof do you have for this?

Quote:3. You are more likely to "fit in" and get called back for a job.
In an environment of increasing victimhood and potential discrimination suits, it's just prudent to limit your exposure as a business. If you want businesses to be colorblind, quit being a liability.


So businesses discriminating against black people is black people's faults? lol!

Quote:4. You are less likely to be perceived as a "thug."
Violent crime statistics as a percent of black population means they are literally more likely to be actual thugs. Rolleyes

So we judge a race by how likely it is to be a certain way? Wrong. Every person is an individual, regardless of their race.


Quote:5. You are less likely to be labeled "angry."
The fact is that "angry blacks" seem to have a free pass on racially stereotyping other ethnicities, calling for the genocide of whites and other things that would otherwise be unconscionable for whites to say...much less angrily. "Black power", even chanted angrily, is not only acceptable for blacks, it has zero racist/bigoted stigma, whereas the reverse is far from true.

Do you have stats on how many blacks think this way? Does it come even close to justifying the perception of all black men as "angry"?

Quote:6. You are more likely to make headlines when missing.
Sadly, the prevalence of black on black violent crime makes it less newsworthy. The more ubiquitous the less it is news.

So because there is more black on black crime, that justifies not reporting missing black females in the media? Howso?

Quote:7. You are more likely to find adequate housing.
Anecdotal evidence is all that's given for this one.

Actually it's called factual data.
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(Jun 18, 2017 10:18 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Less of a contribution (than in other races) does not equate to less of a contribution than racism.
Your strawman accusation is obviously projection.  Rolleyes

So what is it that single parenting is contributing less than? You're own statement makes it clear:

"If you assert that racism is a cause for their crime statistics, you are also saying that correlations like single-parents contribute less to those statistics for that race.."

I never asserted such a thing. Hence your strawman.
Your comprehension may be too lacking. Contributing factors can only, collectively, contribute up to a 100% likelihood. Maybe you're not even familiar with the cause/contribution distinction.
The outcome does not obtain if a causal factor is removed, while the outcome can obtain if a contributing factor is removed. Contributions only increase likelihood. They do not cause outcomes.

Adding a contributing factor to one race means that some combination of other factors contribute less than they do in other races. Hence, special pleading.
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Quote:Again, where did I claim you did?

Right here:

"Just because you've added racism to the contributing factors for blacks (special pleading) doesn't mean it somehow contributes more than single-parents,"

You're saying I am claiming racism contributes more than single-parents. I never said that. Can you understand english?
Apparently you can't. Rolleyes
I just said I was agreeing with you that "add[ing] racism to the contributing factors for blacks doesn't mean it somehow contributes more than single-parents". But apparently you're so interested in this strawman that you missed that entirely. Rolleyes
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Quote:Because you seem completely ignorant of the fact that blacks don't all think alike.

I never quoted youtube videos of blacks saying anything.
Quote:Again, who said you did? O_o
You're the one doing that. I haven't said a word about what blacks think. Why are you cherrypicking videos of black people if not to present an appearance that all blacks think this way? Have you convinced yourself yet?
I started by posting only one video, and you dismissed any black opinion that didn't seem to fit your stereotype. So I gave you more evidence, which you continue to dismiss.

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Quote:1. You are less likely to be arrested.
Taking nonviolent drug offenses out of the larger context is cherry-picking the data. Blacks have more interactions with police, due to higher frequency of other crimes, leading to more nonviolent drug offense arrests.
And where's the evidence that school zero tolerance policies are racially "unfair"? You know, aside from a racial discrepancy in bad behavior? O_o

Do you have a study supporting the claim that blacks have more interactions with police dies to higher frequency of other crimes? There's other things that need to be ruled out here, like frequency of patrolling, racial profiling, and density of blacks in smaller neighborhoods.
Black People More Likely to Be Stopped by Cops, Study Finds
Report saying blacks speed more held up

The Obama administration has been nudging police departments to adapt de-escalation tactics and to fix broken relationships with poor and minority communities across the nation, which typically experience far more intensive policing because of what are frequently higher crime rates.
- https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/st....html?_r=0

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Quote:2. You are more likely to get into college.
Again, is the exact same discrepancy among Asian-Americans due to Asian privilege?
The reason why Asians appear “underrepresented” in elite college admissions is because they are in fact overrepresented. Although they only comprise 4.5 percent of the US population, they comprise nearly 20-30 percent of top colleges’ students. To correct for this over-representation, and maybe their societal advantage in gaining access to higher level secondary education, colleges are now admitting a lower percentage of Asians.
- http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/1...-at-elite/

Why would there be less representation of Asians of college if there was less racism against Asians? You're the one promoting the racist delusion that blacks are underrepresented because they are less intelligent. What proof do you have for this?
Show me where I said ANYTHING about intelligence. O_o
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Quote:3. You are more likely to "fit in" and get called back for a job.
In an environment of increasing victimhood and potential discrimination suits, it's just prudent to limit your exposure as a business. If you want businesses to be colorblind, quit being a liability.


So businesses discriminating against black people is black people's faults? lol!
So businesses discriminating against worker's comp abusers is the scammer's fault?
So businesses discriminating against lazy white people is the white people's fault?
Rolleyes
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Quote:4. You are less likely to be perceived as a "thug."
Violent crime statistics as a percent of black population means they are literally more likely to be actual thugs. Rolleyes

So we judge a race by how likely it is to be a certain way? Wrong. Every person is an individual, regardless of their race.
You're naive if you don't use any approximations to judge strangers. Go to Harlem and see how well that works out for you. Rolleyes
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Quote:5. You are less likely to be labeled "angry."
The fact is that "angry blacks" seem to have a free pass on racially stereotyping other ethnicities, calling for the genocide of whites and other things that would otherwise be unconscionable for whites to say...much less angrily. "Black power", even chanted angrily, is not only acceptable for blacks, it has zero racist/bigoted stigma, whereas the reverse is far from true.

Do you have stats on how many blacks think this way? Does it come even close to justifying all black men as "angry"?
Doesn't matter. That fact that it is accepted promotes the behavior among blacks.
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/proud-a...lack-woman
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Quote:6. You are more likely to make headlines when missing.
Sadly, the prevalence of black on black violent crime makes it less newsworthy. The more ubiquitous the less it is news.

So because there is more black on black crime, that justifies not reporting missing black females in the media? Howso?
How often do they report routine fender-benders? Reporting the same thing all the time losses viewers and ad revenue. The media is not a public service, it's for-profit.
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Quote:7. You are more likely to find adequate housing.
Anecdotal evidence is all that's given for this one.

Actually it's called factual data.
One story is anecdote. Look the word up.
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